Black Sheep

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  Craziest thing I've seen in field service

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  working an area in town with this brother who after knocking on door and finding no one home , he stands behind small tree and has piss on front lawn.fairdinkim.i hope they weren't peeping through binds,but then again better the piss than the shit mags we were going to leave..

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  Black Sheep

  There weren't any people working in sewerage treatment plants in any JW version of Paradise I've ever seen. Sure, there are plenty of pics of people wearing industrial era Nikes and cotton print dresses in Paradise, but I've never seen anything that suggests that you won't be pissing on a tree.
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  Another trinity thing

  by Mozzie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have gone through the ones on here, i have read so much about it and everyone seems to have a different idea as to what the creed actually came up with in the sense of explaining it, religious leaders from most denominations seem to try to explain it and are all different, it does your head in just trying to read half their stuff.

  when i was going door to door, i knew how to argue against it, but now trying to learn about it.. i was reading an article of the net about this and how christ emptied himself of all deity and that, but with all the statements made and arguments to and for it, one question was brought up.

  when jesus was asked by his disciples about the time of the end, jesus replied neither i nor the angels know the hour, only the father.

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  Black Sheep

  The Watchtower deliberately makes the Trinity appear to be much more complicated than it is and never discusses the doctrine as espoused by the majority of Xtian religions, using diversion tactics to insinuate that Modalism represents the Trinity because a lot of prospective converts will fall for the subterfuge and it is an easier doctrine to confuse you with.

  Have you seen the official doctrine of the Trinity from the Catholic Encyclopaedia? Do you understand it?

  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

  I'm not suggesting that you should believe the doctrine, just that in order to debate it with a JW, you do have to understand it so that you don't get diverted and confused and steam rolled into debating another subject chosen by the JW.
  
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  In love with a JW girl

  by rastapau in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  need advise.

  i was in a relation with a jw girl for almost three years(im am not jw) and we are so inlove with each other until someone saw us from her congregation and she was disfellowed and that where the oddness happened.

  her family and friends are not talking to her anymore, she wants me to stop seeing and talking to her anymore not until i became a baptized jw.

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  Black Sheep

  She is damaged goods with a worthless warranty. Do yourself a favor and run away.
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  How would the world be different if there were no JWs?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i think this would be a great question to ask active jws.

  they love to say how the world would be so different if everyone was a jw.

  however, what if we flip the question and ask, would the world really be much different if the jw faith never came into existence?

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  Black Sheep

  False religions would have to build their own premises instead of just buying them off the JWs when they need to get the money out.

  Witnesses sell, Elim buys
  
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  Availability Crisis of Conscience.

  by Ben131895 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  most of us are desperately waiting for the availability of a legal crisis of conscience.

  deborah dykstra provided us with two updates.

  on december 12, 2015 there was a clear statement about the copyright which stopped all illegal activity in spreading electronic versions & prints.. finally, she promised a new update by or before may 6.. so far no new update.

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  Black Sheep

  It's becoming outdated and is losing it's relevance as a tool for extracting current cult members. If it doesn't become easily accessible to the general public in the very near future, it will be worthless to the owners of the copyright. It is already becoming useless to activists who still want to use it.
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  For My Kids

  by myjourney in

  1. social
  2. family

  i haven't been on here much, but every so often i try and keep up with the discussions.

  i'm sure this topic has been talked about before, so my apologies in advance if i'm repeating.. a little about me.... i'm a non baptized jw married to a devout jw.

  both my husband and i were raised in the organization.

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  Black Sheep

  I'm an unbaptized born in. My position isn't quite the same as yours. I introduced my wife to the cult, then never got baptised myself.

  You have to be very careful not to portray yourself to your children as the enemy. They are already well indoctrinated, so announcing yourself to be the Watchtower's predicted agent of Satan will not get you a result that you want. Your best chance of rescuing your children, is while they think you are trustworthy. Don't spoil that chance.
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  Drifting what i've feared has started already...

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  im in the process of drifting out.

  my entire family are jw's.

  my wife and her family are too.

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  Black Sheep

  Once you identify yourself as the evil one sent by Satan to lead them astray, your family members will shut you out and your best chance of helping them leave is gone.

  Consider playing the long game and being the last one to leave.
  
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  I'm getting baptized

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.

  my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.

  i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.

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  Black Sheep

  The best thing I never did was get baptized. My relationship with my parents wasn't great, but it was better than it would have been if I was eventually shunned for DF/DA, especially for them when they got old and their Jehovah was still stuck in the privy.
  
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  Gorby says goodbye

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".

  since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.

  goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.

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  Black Sheep

  Congratulations Gorby. Best wishes to you and your family.

  Proost

  Chris
  
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  Would we exist if Adam and Eve didn't sin?

  by truth doubter in

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  2. beliefs

  my son asked me 40 years ago.

  should we be glad adam sinned?

  because if he hadn't, we would not be the person we are.. any opinions?

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  Black Sheep

  It depends on who your ancestors are.

  If you were descended from Australian aboriginals, your ancestors would predate Adam by tens of thousands of years, so why would 'original sin' from another continent and culture apply to you and your Australian ancestors?

  They are not the only group with a history that predates the watchtower's version of the creation of humans.